Another unGoogleable cricket question?

Malcolm‘s leet Google skillz proved me wrong last time, but I guess it’s a good way to find the answer to a question I don’t know the answer to. Let’s find out.

Back in 1984, a tall left-handed opening batsman made his debut for England against the West Indies, the best team in the world at the time. He made only one 50 in the series (in his first innings) and was dropped for the whole of 1985 in favour of a journeyman from Nottingham called Tim Robinson. Recalled for the 1986/87 Ashes series in Australia, he scored three centuries and was one of the architects of England’s Ashes series victory, which remains the most recent occasion when England have won the Ashes in Australia. Chris Broad (for it was he) has a son who may well make his Test match debut against India on Thursday.

Now during Broad senior’s spell in the wilderness in 1985, a bluff Yorkshireman called Arnie Sidebottom played his one and only Test Match, taking 1 for 65 and limping off injured. His son has also played Test cricket and looked like joining him as a one-Test wonder until being recalled this year.

Assuming both Stuart Broad and Ryan Sidebottom are selected in the XI for Thursday, is this the only time that two players in the England team are the sons of former Test players? I think it may be.

Has this happened for other countries? I don’t know that either, but the network of cousins and nephews who have played for India and Pakistan certainly makes it possible. Richard Hadlee’s father played for New Zealand but I don’t know if any of his team mates’ fathers also played.

Any ideas? Dean Headley doesn’t count double despite being both the son and grandson of former Test players. Also, considering the four hairstyles linked to above, I am finding Arnie Sidebottom the most likely role model for me so long as I don’t have to copy his facial expression.


11 Responses to “Another unGoogleable cricket question?”

  1. 1 mushyp July 19, 2007 at 12:25

    I should point out—before anyone makes the mistake of thinking that I know anything about cricket / genealogy-based soundbites—that I got the previous factoid from listening to Bearders on TMS.

    And certainly not from Google

  2. 2 mushyp July 19, 2007 at 11:19

    In light of Tremlett’s selection in place of Broad, now seems as good a time as any to say that Chris Tremlett is the only test cricketer ever whose grandfather also played test cricket, but whose father did not.

    He joins the Headleys and Khans who are the only two other cricketing families where the grandfather / grandson played, but in their cases, the middle generation chipped in with a few runs, too.

  3. 3 Dominic Sayers July 19, 2007 at 10:41

    Cricinfo now gives a slightly more authoritative list:

    Since Stuart Broad didn’t make the team this time the total remains at 11.

  4. 4 Dominic Sayers July 17, 2007 at 16:12

    Peter Jones, of course, was the inimitable voice of the Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy

  5. 5 Dominic Sayers July 17, 2007 at 09:56

    I will edit the page to add Simon Jones and his father, whose name I think is Jeff.

  6. 6 malcolm July 17, 2007 at 09:15

    I guess you must mean Simon of Simon and Peter Jones – saw him bowl last night and he looked pretty good again. Not sure how one would google the answer you were asking for but on travels we find that Wikipedia is not to be totally trusted as Simon and Peter do not appear on their list England Cricket Team.

    Maybe you should edit the page?

    Of course – now you have answered the question the question itself is surely now not (theoretically anyway) ungoogleable … so the title of your post is now false. Although checking back there is a question mark.

    Ask Google The Question

    This sentence is false Goedel etc.

  7. 7 Dominic Sayers July 16, 2007 at 10:18

    Bingo! I have answered my own question.

    There is a notable omission from the list above. His debut Test featured two of the other people on the list.

    Thus I have found a Test Match that featured three sons of former England players.

    Nothing remarkable about Thursday then. Move along, nothing to see here.

  8. 8 Dominic Sayers July 16, 2007 at 10:13

    And here is a list of all fathers-and-sons who have played for England (not authoritative):

    Fred & Maurice Tate
    Charlie & David Townsend
    Frank & George Mann
    Joe & Joe Hardstaff
    Jim & Jim Parks
    Sir Leonard & Richard Hutton
    Sir Colin & Chris Cowdrey
    Micky & Alec Stewart
    Alan & Mark Butcher
    Ryan & Arnie Sidebottom

  9. 10 Dominic Sayers July 16, 2007 at 10:07

    Also, Mark Butcher didn’t play in Ryan Sidebottom’s first Test Match in 2001 in case you were wondering.

  10. 11 Dominic Sayers July 16, 2007 at 10:04

    I had a quick look at Chris Cairns’s Test career – although his debut was in November 1989 he never played in the same team as Sir Richard Hadlee who retired in July 1990.

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